
Can a real man not love sports?
Since passion for sports is so associated with masculinity, I've taken it upon myself to look into how manly I really am. In doing so, I’ve realized, I like a lot of 'guy' things, but on my own terms.
Women for instance. Many guys I know like 'hot chicks.' I too, like a girl who's 'hot,' but that seems to have a deeper meaning for me. I admit being initially attracted to a woman's physical appearance as much as the next guy, but that's only part of the picture. Once a girl starts talking, that can all change in an instant. If you can't relate to me on some intellectual level, you're not worth my time. If you don't have a good heart, basic honesty, a sense of responsibility not to mention a sense of sense of humor, then I don't care if you look like Jessica Alba's twin sister, I’m not interested. And while I associate beautiful women with sensual things like red wine and dark chocolate, most guys I know think of women in the same thought as cold beer and hot wings. For evidence of this, look no further than the massive popularity of a place that's all about sports and chicks: Hooter's.
For the uninitiated, Hooter’s is a cheap sports bar chain that has popped up across the US like a bad case of acne. Their logo is cleverly placed over the image of a cartoon owl, so the OO's become eyes that resemble a large pair of female breasts. Like 'cans,' 'jugs' and 'melons,' the word 'hooters' is an outdated term that basically means 'big tits.' Hooter's restaurants serve up dry chicken wings, bland burgers and greasy fries. In between bites, you can catch all your favorite teams on TV, as well as catch glimpses of the waitresses in their uber-tight orange shorts and white t-shirts as they come around to pour a fresh round of Bud into your mug. Is it just me or is this behavior somewhat primitive?
I'm not saying that my morals are so high, or that I'm so enlightened. I just don't believe in mixing my dining with my adult entertainment. You’re cheapening both experiences that way. Throw sports into the mix and you have a caveman fest void of all sensuality. Instead, how about going to a top sushi restaurant? Afterwards, we can hit a good strip club, a nice one like Cheetah's in Atlanta or Stringfellow’s in London. It's not that I go to these places very often but once in a while, in the right company, it can be a lot of fun, especially when you leave sports out of it.
In addition, to my appreciation of the female species, there are other things about me that are very ‘male.’ For example, I enjoy a good violent, action film, as long as it's well written, acted and directed. Give me 'Apocalypse Now' or 'Pulp Fiction' any day of the week. Take "Armageddon" or "The Fast And The Furious" and put them back where they came from. I also like a good pint of beer, a hearty scotch or bourbon and a good cigar.
Perhaps the strongest testament to my manhood (pun intended) is this: I play the manliest of all music, heavy metal. I even made a career out of it.
So I've realized that there is a place in the world for guys like me: guys who aren't catching every game they can and bonding with their fellow males over it but who are nonetheless "guys" because of it. I've taken some comfort in the fact that two of my biggest heroes, Henry Rollins and Howard Stern, are, by their own admission, not big sports fans. With their abrasive honesty and male energy, these guys are about as feminine as a sweaty jock strap in the NY Giants locker room. All this has helped come to the conclusion that, despite my lack of sports fanaticism, I am a real man after all.
25 comments:
Bonnies has the best burgers and wings and you only have to deal with 2 TV's that might have a Bills (?!) game on.
Alex,
Can a real man not love sports?
Absolutley!!
I have many "Male" teacher friends at the highschool and we can actually sit and talk about everything except sports.. Sports very rarely comes into a conversation.. So yea it is possible..
I have said before that I am a diehard Yankee fan however,when I am out with friends,whether it be male or female the last thing we discuss is sports..We discuss,music, travel, how we can get ourselves into trouble... LOL Just have fun...
There is a time and place to discuss sports.. Such as a sports bar (I am not mentioning any names)and if ya want to watch a game,drink beer, eat wings,google at the scantly dressed waitresses... Knock yourself out!!! But not in a nice resturant( I prefer Italian) while enjoying a nice glass of vino and in the company of someone you want to have an intelligent conversation with or are trying to impress for the first time.
As for you looking into how "manly" you are...
Me and two of my best friends have
seen you in action on stage several times. Trust me.
You are the real thing :)
I was intrigued by your last post, but I'm troubled by this one. You're obviously feeling defensive. Why? You should never have to apologize for being who you are.
Alex, I've never met you nor seen you in concert. I can't say I'm a fan of metal either but found your story interesting through TSO. I like some of your jazz material which is creative. I'm a guitar picker so, I've been following you and reading your blog posts for the last year as well as a couple other TSO guitar players.
Now, I'm quite a bit older than you (54) and I grew up in the same area you did, Hayward. I have my opinion about what makes a man, a man. So, here is my list.
1. How a man treats his mother and father in their elderly years, is a good indicator of a man.
2. How a man treats his wife. Also, a man is one who sacrifices for his children and stands by them.
3. A man is one who works hard at his vocation, good and bad, day in and day out because you are in example to your peers and family.
4. A reputation of man, how his peers view you, I would say is important.
5. Taking a stand and helping those who can't help themselves, showing mercy and compassion to the unfortunate.
6. A man is one who is thankful for their blessings as well as the talents which God has given him and uses them to benefit mankind.
7. How many beers you can drink, wings you can eat or women you've had is NOT an indicator of a man. That is so SHALLOW!
8. Knowing all the sports teams, their statistics, players, etc. doesn't make you a man either. There is nothing wrong with knowing about all this, but once again, this information doesn't make you man.
9. How you treat your fellow man are indicators of a good, principled man. A man is loyal, stands by his decisions and convictions even if it may compromise a friendship.
10. Just the fact you took the step to walk away from Testament in the 90s and pursue a college degree says something about you. You have seen the world. What an education you've been blessed with.
Lastly, IMHO Alex, from what I've read and heard, you are a MAN. Don't worry about what others think. What makes you unique is the fact you have branched out. You are, who you are. There is a world out there beyond sports. I know because I was there and have moved beyond it. I played sports in high school and college. Sports was once a major part of my life. I am a high school US History/Govt teacher. I coached football/baseball for 20 years at the high school level. I have retired from coaching. Although, I miss the game (playing it), I hardly watch sports anymore because I have other important things and interests in my life.
Anyway, I hope I haven't insulted or offended anyone. That's what I think a man is.
The big shit is that society requires that people are cartoons! Who decides to put the brain to work or put your head for something besides growing hair are out! is a rebel. It is as if there were a model, that all would be obliged to follow. And that is pathetic. To be a man you need: belching, scratching the balls, talking ugly words, know football and treat women equal to trash.
What would you do if a woman came up to you, weeks after sex with you and say: I'm pregnant! the vast majority of men responded immediately: the child is not mine! Even knowing that this possibility exists. So masculinity is not in the "cock", "asshole", "love gun" or another name you give to your pennis, are attitudes.
Some men use the sport, cars or beer as an extension of your pennis also hahahahahaha ... is another possibility.
Hi all! Great to read your comments. JB/John- thanks for that very well thought out commentary. I appreciate everyone's opinions. However- I get the feeling some (anonymous #2 especially) are taking things a bit more seriously than I intended. This is really meant to be a humorous piece, making light of society's stereotypes which many guys, including close friends of mine, fit right into. I don't really question my 'manliness,' I just find it funny that as a guy, it's assumed that you're into the kinds of things Hooter's represents (beer, babes, ballgames). I think most of you get it, but in case my humor isn't coming across in the printed word, please bear with me (I'm working on it). : )
Thanks everyone. Keep 'em coming!
Alex
Alex,
I can not tell you how much I enjoy reading your blog. In all honesty. I can have a terrible day, read your blog and get a good smile out of it. So thank you for that.
Also, kudos on picking out male and female stereotypes. For instance, the macho, "nothing" sports-loving guy... and the fake-as-they-come Hooters girls!
It reminds me of the majority of people I went to grade school with. Sadly none of them have changed. They're just a larger version of the dumb-minded "jock" kids that annoyed me.
My facial expression sort of changed to this; O.o when you mentioned a "nice" strip club. I'm sure there are... but I couldn't help but get an image of the ones near me. Granted I live in Flint, probably one of the sleaziest cities I've ever seen.
None the less, after reading that I would hope and wish more guys DO read that. To realize you don't have to love sports to be a "man".
Kudos.
I think Betty Friedan was spot on when she said "Men weren't really the enemy -- they were fellow victims suffering from an outmoded masculine mystique that made them feel unnecessarily inadequate when there were no bears to kill."
The behavior is primitive, and I have no solution other than to provide a solid foundation for my son so he can learn to be a caring man who is not afraid to express himself.
**fingers crossed**
Less sports, more Metalocalypse. The world will be a better place. BTW, Alex, if you're in Atlanta, you need to check out the Clermont Lounge. Definitely not like Hooter's.
You know whats funny Alex? Everytime Ive been to a hooters, Ive never noticed the sports.
I being married, Hooters is the closest I get to a stripclub without hearing hours of shit following
Betty Freidan said it well, thanks for that. Also, a good friend wisely pointed out that sports and music (especially hard rock/metal) can be linked to a manifestation of primal male instincts that need to come out now that we are no longer hunters and cave dwellers (well, most of us anyway. I know guys who hunt and others whose apartments look like caves). I accept that performing music is partially my outlet for that, while for many others, their outlet is sports.
Re: the 'strip club' thing, I realized it could rub some the wrong way, but prefer to be honest about it. It may sound hypocritical to critique Hooter's while admitting that I've attended upscale 'gentleman's clubs' on occasion. But I'm compelled to point out that when I've gone, it's usually with girls as well as guys and usually artist friends. This includes modern dancers, theatrical performers and others to whom nudity isn't such a big deal. They view the dancers as fellow artists (some of them, really are. Have you seen what they can do on a pole?!!). It is sexy fun with which to enjoy a nice martini. That's what I meant by 'the right company.' It's a whole other experience than going with a bunch of hootin' and hollerin' dudes (Honestly, if that's the case, I'd rather not go). I'm a complex character, yes, and you might not agree with everything I say and do.
By the way, the catch phrase summing up Hooter's in my last comment should have been this:
Beer, boobs, burgers and ballgames
No please, finish with only: beer, hamburguers and ballgames. Forget the boobs !!! hahahah...
Hi alex !
The funniest part of it is that all kind of sociatys and countrie´s are diferent in some sort aspects, but in that case especificly, are so iqual.
The steriotype of what a men has to be for some reason allways have to include that he has to enjoy ""Sports"" doesnt matter what Sport it is.
JB/John...thanks for that wise words.
Nuno Guerreiro
Portugal
Your post didn't rub me the wrong way and it's nice to read about people who are complex and comfortable with nudity. I like to think I'm both, but to each his own.
I also didn't mean to make it sound that I've never been to any. I have, and it was fun. I went with some friends since we all suffer from Insomnia and Chronic Day Fatigue =P and... those are the only places open late. Actually ran in to somebody I used to work with a while back that now works at "The Vu". It would just be nice to see some nicer ones where I'm at. That's all. Even the Hooters isn't like what you see in pictures.
Also, the majority of people (that I've seen around here) that go to Hooters or strip clubs are the kind that do just sit and gawk, get drunk, hoot and holler. Etc.
Being a dancer and gymnast, I completely agree that pole dancing is an art. Maybe I should clarify that I don't do that kind of dancing professionally, but it looks like a hell of a workout.
Alex, after reading your blog I noticed that after a few people commented you felt the need to comment back several times and explain your reasons for writing this piece.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it’s the same 8 or 10 people who always comment on your blogs and never seem to understand your point.
The blog was written to be a humorous story about your observations of a restaurant chain but yet you were scolded for having a fun night out with your friends, given tips on strip clubs and sports bars to visit, handed an essay on what defines being a man, advised that men should treat women like trash, received tips on how to bring up children and told not to worry because you were manly enough on stage.
Your response to these comments: “I think most of you get it, but in case my humor isn't coming across in the printed word, please bear with me (I'm working on it).”
Really Alex, it’s not you, your stories are enjoyable to read, well written and your humor did come across in the story so there is no need for you to change your writing style. Erica Jong wrote: “I write lustily and humorously. It isn't calculated; it's the way I think. I've invented a writing style that expresses who I am.”
So please don’t feel that you have to justify your reasons over and over for writing about a certain topic just because a few people don’t “get it”. It’s nice that you read your comments and take the time to respond but if they don’t understand your point or opinions that’s their problem not yours.
I think the majority of us 'get it', and being that this is a blog where comments are accepted and appreciated, that is what some of us chose to do.
Since it is my comment that is being referred to when it was brought up that tips were given on how to bring up children, I feel I can respond to that. I in no way was offering parenting advice, merely remarking on how I'm attemtping to raise my son. And I'm quite certain nobody said women should be treated like trash....
Irish writes: “I think the majority of us 'get it', and being that this is a blog where comments are accepted and appreciated, that is what some of us chose to do.”
Yes Irish, I’m sure you do “get it” but this is also a blog that is open to the public and everyone is entitled to express his or her opinion, good or bad, positive or negative and whatever anyone posts is open for debate. You are most certainly entitled to express your opinion just like anyone one else here making a comment, myself included.
I only summarized what I read on the blog comments; I’m not singling out or attacking anyone, I was actually trying to be a little humorous. (You are right Alex; sometimes humor doesn’t come across well in the written word) I was just using the existing comments as examples, which if I’m not mistaken is something that writers have been known to do.
For the record Irish, I was not questioning your parenting skills, I’m sure you are raising your son to be a good person which is very commendable and I totally agreed with what JB/John had to say as well.
Alex is the one that commented that he felt that some of you don’t “get it” or were taking it too seriously and I was only agreeing with him. Alex comments: ‘I get the feeling some are taking things a bit more seriously than I intended. This is really meant to be a humorous piece, making light of society's stereotypes which many guys, including close friends of mine, fit right into.”
My original point was that I don’t feel he needs to change his writing style, spell out his intention in big bold letters or keep coming back to explain or justify his point over and over. His writing style is fine the way it is and as long as he continues to write this blog I’m sure all of us will continue to read it and comment on it..good or bad.
SEX SELLS!!!!!!!!!! One way or another...
Alex,
I'm sure you're all man, Alex. (smiles).
Keep in mind, though, that we live in a world where sex sells everything from sports to music. And world markets tend to follow the American lead. Looks matter. Anyone that's says otherwise is blind or lying. It's just a matter of how much we allow it to matter in our lives.
(Please don't everyone yell at me for saying that)
You're a musician, ... how many times have you seen images of half naked women with guitars? That's the typical phallic shot. Sex appeal is what it is. Alex, you're a GORGEOUS man! Sure, women LOVE Testament, Alex Skolnick Trio, and Trans Siberian Orchestra but... it doesn't hurt that you look the way you do (the hair, the eyes, the muscles, the body in general, the sound of your voice, your hands, AND you're intelligent-there's NOTHING like GREAT conversation before and afterwards-wink). MANY of us women who have never met you in person or spent periods of time with you over time getting to know you, (I'm not attempting to speak for all but I'm willing to guess) whether admitting it publicly or not and myself included, if given the chance would GLADLY and WILLINGLY WITHOUT HESITATION rock the wisdom out of your back teeth! FORTUNATLEY, you've got talent, so it balances out. (Smiles) Sorry to make you blush, but it's TRUE! (Smiles) Your looks are a GREAT starting point for us to WANT to know more of you and your abilities. Before video, a still photo is all we had to go on. Today, we can go to YouTube and fixate on both the image AND the music all at once. How many of us grew up with photos of our favorite stars on our walls? I had David Cassidy pictures EVERYWHERE. Because he was cute, girls wanted to know more about him and hear more from him. Teen Magazine have fallen off a bit in sales, due largely to the web and the moving image. And so it is with marketing...grab the attention, THEN push the product, whether beer, food, music, etc. It's just a matter of timing and the state of mind you're in when the "product" is placed in front of you.
It's not coincidental that with most big clubs as well as bars, ladies get in free or with reduced admission generally til Midnight with reduced priced drinks. Nor is it a coincidence that the lights are generally low. I've heard bartenders, bar ownders, club owners, promoters, etc, admit that the logic is to let the women in, get em' drinking/drunk, the men will do the rest. At that point they're (women) more pliable. After drinking a few hours, your judgement is generally not as good as it would be were you not drinking. Not only are you more likely to put up with guys/girls you normally wouldn't, but from a business standpoint, both you and the guy are more likely to spend more money drinking. Many women go along with it, though. In general, it seems as though women have slid down the food chain in that aspect. I've watched women knock back shots, guzzle down beers, and generally do things they normally wouldn't do. I've also seen women knock back shots, guzzle beers and manage to keep themselves together and respectful. Remember, the difference between a fox and a pig is a few drinks. I'm SURE you've seen this.
It's good that you can appreciate women for who they are in addition to what they look like. Personally, I think Howard Stern is very sexy. Again, it's the intelligent thing. Your manhood is safe... and never in question.
There's something to be said for staying in school... LOL
Undercover mother: I Don´t know if was your intention, but yes, when the people drink , after some drinks changed, saying: "...When the drink is gonna, the true go out!" hahahahahah...
RIGHT ON IRISH! THAT'S where it all starts and stops: at home. THANK YOU for saying that. I appreciate it as much as Alex's defense of women as objects. I didn't want to mention anything about parenting, as I didn't want to sound preachy. I was thinking the same thing. If we go beyond just handing our son's a $20 and saying, "... enjoy yourself, son (wink)...", and take time to explain who women are generally to our sons and daughters, that helps a lot. We can educate our kids to know that they don't have to follow the leader (i.e. product placements, ads, stereotypes, peer pressure, etc)
MJ is on the money, there's a time and a place. There's nothing wrong with a glass of wine or a beer after a hard days work. BUT... needing it and wanting it are two different things. And yes, M there are higher classed strip joints than what most expect. It's a matter of what you want and how much you're willing to spend.
Both men and women have to OWN their sexuality, not have it dictated to us via the media and establishments.
Ladies, its 2009, buy your own pole. I DID! (Evil grin)
Adam in Arkansas... I hear ya. Here's a solution, buy your wife a pole for Valentine's Day!??????
Remember, OWN IT!
Hey Undercover Mother.
Love the Pole comment..LOL
I am all for having a good time but as I said in my comment there is a time and place for everything.
And yes SEX does sell. I am probably showing my age here but I remember the "Marlboro Man" that sexy hunk who would smoke a cig on TV!!! Good Lord If ya didn't smoke before ,you wanted to after watching him take a puff LOL
And Alex I don't mean to embarrass you, however I have been lucky enough to spend time and talk with you after a Trio show and I have to agree with everything Undercover Mother said about you.
Plus throw in a kick ass guitar player!
Alex, I completely sympathize. I am also the type of person that enjoys a deeper, intellectual level of attraction. From a woman's perspective, I don't care HOW hot a guy is, if our minds don't connect, I lose interest. Same goes for a man's wealth, his size of his biceps (or other body parts), his fancy sports car...even his rock star status (haha) - I would dump all that if there was no chemistry (physical AND intellectual). My girlfriends think I'm nuts!
hey alex, i just wanted to agree with you, im not into sports or in that case other "Manly" things, yet im still a guy, and still like woman. i just perfer finer things in life like music, art, and educated fun conversations. i think your totally right and ive had this topic on my mind for a while now, other guys just get brainraped by the media and think thats what a real man is.
Wow, this really got interesting didn't it?
I appreciate everyone's enthusiasm and think there is general agreement here, just different interpretations of words (both my own and some of the commentary).
Thank you for flattering comments. "Flattery will get you everywhere," as I once read.
: )
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