Wednesday, April 22, 2009

The Wrath Of Skol


Like a lot of you, I avoid solicitations on the phone, mail and internet. But occasionally you get roped into listening to someones schpeel. Such was the case recently, when I turned my company, Skol Productions into a corporation using LegalZoom.com.

Overall the experience with LegalZoom.com was excellent. In fact, with my travel and work schedule, I can't imagine the daunting process of incorporating using any other method. Over the course of three days, I would sit in an arena dressing room with a glass of red wine while Megadeth and Judas Priest took the stage. In between important e-mails, I'd work through this on-line process, like filling out a very long questionnaire. By the time the tour ended, I was back home with my company almost complete.

The problem isn't LegalZoom.com but the other companies that do business with them in order to try to sell you additional services. It's mostly harmless, in the form of adds which appear on the Legal Zoom website. But there is one company, called the "Tax Club," which contacts you under the guise of a "free consultation" that is supposedly "included" as part of your LegalZoom.com service. That sounded well and good, until the answer to every one of my questions was to subscribe to additional services for small monthly fee of $20. And wait, there's also a one time fee you have to pay.

"How much is that" I asked the rep (let's call him Kevin).

"It's $1,500." he answered.

"Excuse me?" I asked.

"I know that sounds like a lot, but that's a one time fee and entitles you to unlimited consultations, bookkeeping even tax filing."

"I'll think about it" I said.

He went on and on about how it's really a bargain, that they are experts on deductions which my CPA isn't even aware of (he doesn't even know my CPA) and it will save money in the long run. Thinking that this was really connected to LegalZoom.com.

"Ok" I said. "I really have to go."

Reluctantly (and stupidly I suppose), I agreed to a follow up call. Keep in mind I still thought that this call was somehow legitimately connected to my Legal Zoom process.

In the time since I've done some research on the tax club. The reality is this, according to Agatha, who posted on the consumer website Yelp.com:

"They (The Tax Club) are telemarketers who prey on http://Legalzoom.com subscribers. The TaxClub buys these leads from Legalzoom, then proceeds to call unsuspecting folks who think they are being contacted by Legalzoom for tax services.They have a bad rating with the BBB."

Further research has unveiled nightmare scenarios in which clients are pressed to cough up more money for services they were promised to being with. In some cases these poor folks shelled out tens of thousands of dollars.

Believing there are two sides to every story, I went in search of some more satisfied customers. I could not find one positive review on "The Tax Club" other than the glowing reviews adorning the front page of their own website!

Today, as promised, I heard from Kevin. I was in the middle of rehearsal and refused to pick up the phone. He left the following message, miffed that I wasn't taking his call, which we'd 'scheduled.' There was not a pause or an 'um' the whole time. Where do people learn to talk like this?

"Hi this is Kevin, we had talked last Thursday about the new company set up on Legal Zoom dot com. We had scheduled a follow up today at 2pm eastern regarding the tax planning and advising services we have here. I need to know either way which way you decided. If you need more time or if you need payment options or whatever the case may be, give me a call and let me know. I'll try you back throughout the evening if I don't hear back from you. I'll try you in thirty minutes, an hour and so forth, and between my appointments. Please give me a call and let me know and I'll try to reach you as well."

Throughout the evening? He's going to call me throughout the evening? Am I hearing right? Are you fucking kidding me?!!

What this guy doesn't know is that anytime I feel stalked by a sales rep the deal is automatically off. If you act like that towards me, then I have no use for you or your services. This would be the case even if I hadn't seen all these scathing reviews of the company he works for.

This has happened to me a couple times with gym memberships. Those people tend to be overly annoying, persistent and pushy. They're the ones trying to sell YOU a product. They need you, not the other way around, but they put YOU under obligation, as if YOU need them! Total brain manipulation. This is how cults work.

By requesting a 'follow up' with me, every salesman/woman completely loses me and the commission they'd makes for signing me up. It gets me th...

Wait....I don't believe it. He's calling right now as I'm typing this. Hang on...let's get rid of him.

(5 minutes later) I just said "Hi, look I'm not taking you up on your services." I think he heard it in my voice and gave up instantly. He thanked me, told me to call him if I change my mind and wished me a nice day. I came so close to saying "Guess what. I'm writing a blog about you right now." and lashing into him. Ok, that wasn't so bad. I was getting ready to go to war.

This guy has idea how close he came to experiencing the 'Wrath Of Skol.' I don't go off on someone very often, and I'm well known for my patience. But this type of behavior really gets under my skin. He got it right away and made the wise move of not pushing it. More power to him. Where was I...

This whole thing gets me thinking.... if you want to get someone to do something, whether it's subscribing to the service or membership you're selling, purchase a CD or ticket to your gig, get someone to go on a date with you, get a friend to do you a favor or whatever the case may be, the worst thing you can do is corner your target, put them in the position of victim and force yourself, your product or your services on them.

Case in point: on the last blog post, somebody posted a comment, and called himself Justice Now or something like that. His comment had nothing to do with the topic or anything to do with this blog. Instead it was about going to a website to read about someone who is unjustly (supposedly) imprisoned.and then sign a petition, make a financial contribution toward the cause, etc...

If this case is true and there is an innocent man in prison, awaiting execution or whatever, then I'm sorry and my heart goes out to them. But this jerk who commented on last weeks blog, using it to spread the word about this case and draw attention to it, did the biggest disservice to this alleged victim of the justice system. He not only annoyed me, he made me never want to check out this website and avoid the cause at all costs. Congratulations dude.

The same thing happens, on a smaller level, on MySpace and Facebook all the time. Bands post comments saying 'check out my band,' 'check out our new songs,' 'come to our gig.' I'm flooded by them. Occasionally I'll make an exception. In fact I did so just the other day, when my friend New Orleans DJ Jay Sustain, sent a nice note along with his banner, was very polite about it and totally understood if I chose not to post it. Because he's a real friend and not just a Myspace/Facebook 'friend,' I chose to do so.

People need to remember this: there's a very thin line between marketing and forcing yourself on people. Those who place unsolicited banners, messages and advertisements on others blogs or web pages or act like aggressive, annoying, misleading sales reps, are robbing themselves and their product of all credibility. Attempt this on me and you too will face...The Wrath Of Skol!

21 comments:

M said...

Kudos dude.

I also write for a website (blog style thing except with small articles) anyway... we get those comments with links ALL the time and they go directly to the spam folder. So I feel your pain.

As with other websites and phone calls.

My best friend and I used to get sales calls early in the morning every day by the same people each time. It was ridiculous. After a while of this and us getting incredibly pissed off (we're not exactly known to wake up at the crack of dawn) they would leave messages laughing knowing they were making us mad.

Totally with you on the whole wrath thing.

sdmfforever said...

Here's tonight's news:

Skol hulks out and goes on a rampgage.

Film at 11.

MR said...

Well... I graduated in Marketing to "awaken the desire in the customer" ... but you can not awaken the desire of anyone forcing him to consume. Much less calling every half hour! HAHAHAHAHA ... the only hope that you can wake up is strangle us!

HAHAHAHHAH ... I imagine you here: he talking on the phone and you answer: "Humhum .... ok ok ... ... .. Humhum Humhum ... no, sorry, I do not want." especially after the fucking $ 1500!

I seize the moment "commercial" to leave my testimony to some of the services of Skol Productions: last year I bought the t-shirt of Alex Skol Trio, already used several times, washed, and it continues as if had never been used - the color not fades and the mesh is good. Ha... and don´t worry, your relations public dont send me mails every half hour! hahaha...

Liz Digital said...

I heard the funniest comedian talking about this-- he giggles and says to the phone solicitator; I cant now, my wife is home, or today i get to ride in a police car, i get to tell them where the body is; My favorite, I work for the Attorney General of this state, and we are very interested in business' such as this...
I had someone come to my front door, ask me for money, then ask me to subscribe to a magazine, explaining that I would not get the magazine, but that it would be send to a homeless shelter...Wow I am not that dumb! But I guess my neighbor was. I dont know how they sleep at night, this should be a wait wait dont tell me topic!

Laugh at it, and let it roll-
Liz

Carole Gagnon said...

I see I’m not the only one with this problem. I used to get calls, at supper time, almost every night of the week, sometimes 2 or 3 the same night. Anyway, the Government of Canada came up with this bright idea to remove your phone number from all of the telemarketing lists. Well, I must say that the phone calls stop almost immediately after I signed up. I still get calls though, once every two or three weeks or so. It’s funny that you wrote a blog about telemarketers because we were just talking about this recently, and apparently, since it is now illegal for Canadian companies to buy lists and call everybody, some of them have companies specializing in telemarketing outside the country make those calls and then it’s not illegal anymore…

As for the “Wrath of Skol”, I think I now know why you never commented on my pictures and for what it’s worth, I’m sorry.

FMWL,

CG

Domingo said...

Hey alex, I totally agree with you, this sales people need to understand that THEY need you, Btw, I apologize, because I declare myself guilty of posting a "hey, please check out my band" kind of message, sorry man never really thought about it

Save Troy Davis said...

THANKS MAN ! INTERESTING THOUGH, YOU SAID YOU WOULDN'T CHECK OUT THE WEBSITE BUT BY YOUR DESCRIPTION YOU INDEED HAVE ! DONT CHECK IT OUT FOR ME THOUGH, CHECK IT OUT FOR JUSTICE...FOR ALL ! TROY DAVIS IS INNOCENT AND THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF OUR CORRUPT JUDICIAL SYSTEM !!

www.troyanthonydavis.org

www.amnestyusa.org/death-penalty/troy-davis-finality-over-fairness/page.do?id=1011343 -

www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/153402169

M said...

In response to the comment above;

Are you content now? That Alex Skolnick picked your irritating spam to write about?

After reading what Alex wrote, then reading your comment I couldn't help but to purposely NOT go to your website because of that.

-I have no doubt you'll remove this, and for the sake of argument, my apologies. I have a small patience.-

Domingo said...

c'mon dude stop your spam, show some respect...

Naomi said...

Go Alex! Go Alex!
Bet you never thought, you’d be advocating consumer rights on your blog.

With so many companies partnering together today it’s hard to tell where the relationships between them begins and ends. Plus, with reps like “Kevin” exaggerating the partnership to leverage an opportunity – it’s truly buyer beware. “When in doubt – Check it out.”

Salespeople are an interesting breed. Most work on commission. They eat what they kill. I think “Kevin” should to go back to sales 101. He needs to drop his unethical approach and work on his technique. Calling every half hour, like a dog in heat, doesn’t work for anyone involved in a transaction. It’s unprofessional. (Quick Disclaimer. Not all salespeople are like “Kevin”. Many perform their job in a principled manner. It’s a case of a few reps tarnishing others.)

Thanks for sharing your stories and giving us the 411 on TaxClub.

Looking forward to seeing you, Matt, and Nathan in Danbury tomorrow night. Can’t wait!
Thanks for adding the Trio shows to your busy touring schedule. As always, you do so much for fans and we truly appreciate it!

Alex S said...

STD- your initials are quite fitting.
I didn't check out the website, it's obvious from the words in the links which could just as easily be about Mumia Abdul Jamial or Leonard Peltier.
I'm surprised you actually read this blog, STD. I was sure you just dropped in to post your junk. I'm not saying your cause is junk, only that you are making it so by your approach. You're representing something potentially important, but by imposing in places where it's innappropriate (like this blog) you're reducing it to the level of peddlng Viagra, penis enlargement or other crap that is
shucked on the web.
I appreciate every reader I have but think you'd be yourself and all of us a favor if you don't just skim over the
words but think about their meaning as well.

Liz Digital said...

ALLRIGHT!! that fisherman needs his license revoked, and fined, and all that jazz~I know we all want to take the bait on that, but dont- its not worth it--Alex your too cool for that, and no one here is fooled. We could however, teach that guy a little lesson in Berkeley free speech, hmmm...O r I could just contact the FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION...THEY ARE MY BUDDIES AND I M GUESSING HE'S NOT FROM AROUND HERE...

MikeFine said...

Anyone who forgets The Golden Rule in sales and marketing should be forced to read "Permission Marketing," by Seth Godin. I've never witnessed the Wrath of Skol. But I think I've seen the Skol "look." And I left the viagra samples and penis enlargement devices in the bag--LOL!

Kat said...

The wrath of skol...I love it ! Next step...pick out your super hero outfit. Of course, then you would be solicited more lol. On a side not..I think that exact salesman was at my house the other day...selling encyclopedias !! I didn't know they still did that lol !!

Alex S said...

Thanks for the comments all. In my last comment, I obviously meant to put 'you'd be DOING yourself and all of us a favor' not 'you'd be yourself and all of us a favor.' Whoops.
That'll teach me to comment from my iPhone while stuck in traffic.

Naomi said...

Alex
Thank you for taking the time to speak with me after the Danbury show.

I truly enjoyed our conversation. Gratitude, appreciation, and thanks are inadequate words. They are not enough to express what I want to say. You inspire me in so many ways. However, for now, thank you will have to suffice.

FYI – I don’t think I’ll be “grounded” for a little while. : - )

Skol fans rule!!! We met so many terrific people. I hope to see many of them again “in the pit” at Testament next month.

AdaminArkansas said...

Hey Alex, email me your number. I have some Moose earwax to sell you. All profits will go to my Free Charlie Manson fund.
Thanks


later man

MJ said...

April 27, 2009 8:01 PM
ALEX

I made what I thought was a smart move just last week. I went on line to a car dealership near me just to look and see what was out there.Of course ya just about have to give them your first born just to get some info on a car,well now I think every dealership on the South Jersey coast has called my house phone and my cell phone,emailed me morning, noon,night and Saturday and Sundays! Never, Ever call me on a Sunday! All telling me what great deals they can give me on a new car how, much they will give me for mine... Blah, Blah, Blah
Geez....And of course one was outdoing the other! I had so many voice mails the other day I wanted to Snap!
So now.. Just to piss them all off I will wait to get a new car!

Sjusovaren said...

Great post Alex. Though for a short second, I thought solicitations meant picking up if fans contacted you, which seemed a bit unlike the image I got from this blog and interviews... :P D'oh. I blame this at only sleeping 3 hours in the latest 40, aswell as being swedish (wut be dis edumacations ting? Me no understand!).

If I'm allowed to ramble a bit, I used to work as a "tele-marketer"/phone-salesman for about a week, selling mobile broadband. I figured, hey, I need an income so I can afford some cool gear that I want.
But the place fucking sickened me, they basically instructed us to be as aggressive as possible and not give them the opportunity to say no.

However, I consider myself a pretty decent guy with good morals and felt that I had to make sure they absolutely wanted the product, taking a more laid-back approach and not shoving the crap down their throats.
That prompted those higher up in the foodchain there to take me into a meeting the third time I worked and what they said just blew my mind. "They want this product, they just don't know that yet. So what you need to do is take that decision for them!"....
I'll say this much, I never went back. I'd rather settle with what I have in terms of gear than have lots of cool shit tainted by being bought with money stained by shame.

I'm glad I got the fuck out of there.

WARRIOR said...

Hi Alex and guys.

Nice to know that you have that kind of position against agressive sails.
Sometimes I do act the some way with them, let me tell what i sometimes do...
I do not know if that´s hapen there in the same way but another thing that annoys me is the very quantity of brochures advertising that typically the companies send to the boxes of mail from our home.

NOW THAT REALLY PISS ME OF.

For those who want to pay we have a kind of sticker that says "" It´s not permitted to place advertising "but even that they dont respect and the FU###NG box is filled with papers advertising pizzaz, hamburgers and,all FU####NG types of sales.
But i resolved the problem....

Some types of sales they´ll send us the advertising with the contract to the hypothesis of we accept and send the form of contract that we have completed back without pay the costs of transmission, because they pay it to get back.
And what I do is,I collect all the publicity of the various companies that cash in the mail, put them inside the envolope and sending them back.....And when the company receives the cards, pay them thinking that is some twat that fell into their scam.
I am sure that they should not be very happy.

At some time ago I received a letter saying that these company were not quite Happy with what I did and say that they´ll very very sorry but they would not return to send the news about new products....what a pitty !

With Love we paid with love we receive.

Nuno Guerreiro
Portugal

Naomi said...

Alex,
As you prepare to head out on the open road with Testament...

Take care of yourself, be safe and be well.

You have a long tour ahead of you. I made a promise to you regarding the TSO tour. It's something I intend to keep for this tour too. As you share your gift with others, I am going to share mine with you. You’ll know it when you receive it.

Unleash the intensity of your guitar! We’re all waiting to revel in the magic!

Go out there and kick some ***!