Friday, June 19, 2009

I Left San Francisco (And Took My Heart With Me)








(aka 'Bay Area Blues Part I')

I'll never forget the days just before I left the San Francisco Bay Area for New York City. "You'll be back" I was told by a once promising Bay Area musician. He later ended up quitting music altogether.

Others said "Give it a year. You'll be over it." After a year, I had no intention of ever leaving.

That's when they said "Give it two years. You'll see." After two years, I still had no plans to leave.

"Wait 'till you've been there five years" they said. Five years went by. When they asked if I ever thought of moving back, I just laughed.

I'm now in my eleventh year in New York, and have no plans to ever move away.

I understand New York is not for everyone. I've seen many come and go. Before the dust even has a chance to settle they're gone. They realize New York doesn't work for them and I can respect that.

What I'm amazed at is how so many from the Bay Area still bristle at the mention of New York and ask how I can live here. Many of them have never even been to New York. They complain about New Yorkers being abrasive, but by trying to impose their will on me, they're the ones who are behaving abrasively. They are just doing so with an even temper.

I'm not trying to make this a love letter to New York. Nor is it a hate letter to the Bay Area. If you like living in the Bay Area and feel fulfilled there, then I'm happy for you. Me? I can't list enough things that I don't like about it.

New York has three crucial things the Bay Area is missing: character, energy and connection to the rest of the world. Let's start by looking at the latter.

If you grow up in the Bay Area, as I did, you don't realize how isolated it is. The nearest large metropolitan region outside is the state capital, Sacramento, which is about two hours away by car. After that, there is Fresno, which is about a three hour drive. Sorry to say this, but if you go your whole life without ever visiting Sacramento and Fresno, you are not missing much. Seattle and Los Angeles, on the other hand, are important cities with a lot of character and well worth visiting. But with an approximately 8 hour drive, they're so far away from the Bay Area, they're not exactly neighboring cities.

In New York, our neighboring cities include Philadelphia (two hours West), Boston, (four hours East) and the nation's capital, Washington DC (four hours South). A bit farther, but closer than the distance from the Bay Area to LA, we have cities like Montreal and Pittsburgh. A flight to Europe doesn't take much longer than flying to The West Coast so as a result, we have a lot more visitors and residents visiting abroad at any given time. For these and many other reasons, we are very connected to the rest of the world.

Next, let's talk about character. In New York, people have more of a connection with their heritage. An Italian can be a real Italian. An Irishman can be a real Irishman. And a Jew can be a real Jew. In the Bay Area, at least when I was growing up, everyone was somehow expected to blend in and be the same. Although as a Jewish American, I'm ultimately more comfortable being neutral and non observant, I respect those who are more in touch with their roots and feel they should be free to be so. Even if we choose not to wear our heritage on our sleeve, I'm grateful to those that do and feel it is good for all of us to be reminded where we come from. I think this has to do with the fact that the East Coast has been settled a lot longer than the West Coast and has thus retained a lot of that old world character.' This cultural awareness is reflected in the restaurants, in the architecture, the artwork and in the overall dynamic of the city.

While the concept of America as a 'melting pot,' makes sense, the ingredients in the pot shouldn't lose their flavor as they seem to do in the Bay Area. Growing up in California, I was thrown into the cesspool of the public school system. There was an obvious difference between Anglo-American, African-American, Asian-American and Hispanic-American students, but the more subtle differences within each of these subgroups was masked. I agree in the concept of equality and no ethnic group being superior to any other. However, I think this minimal cultural awareness was a contributing factor as to why I and so many others I grew up with in the Bay Area ended up confused and damaged. Moving to New York and understanding how cultural background shapes each individual was very enlightening and healing. Nowhere is there a better balance of ethnicity and Americanism than on the East Coast and especially in New York.

I concede that the city of San Francisco itself has a strong sense of character on the level of any East Coast city. I admit enjoying visiting there for brief periods of time. But the fact is, the average resident of the Bay Area cannot afford to live in San Francisco. Instead, they are forced to reside in the sprawling nothingness of interchangeable suburbs, where the most exciting thing happening is on cable TV and at the local Chili's Bar And Grill. Yes, it's expensive to live in New York too, but I can't help but feel that the surrounding areas retain more of the character of the city than those on the outskirts of San Francisco.

Finally, let's talk about energy. It is generally agreed upon that New York is faced paced by nature, while The Bay Area is slow, often described as 'laid back.' I agree with this and believe that it gets in the way of individual progress and goals. It is no coincidence that most successful people from the Bay Area originally came from other regions and brought the character and energy of those places with them. Just look at the most successful musicians in the Bay Area: Metallica moved there from LA. Joe Satriani came from Long Island, New York. Carlos Santana emigrated from Mexico.

I just want to say that I recognize this as my own personal experience and respect that there others who may see things very differently. And it's not that there aren't some things I like about the Bay Area or that I like every single thing about New York. But for years, the Bay Area has felt like a record label that continues to exploit its back catalog: the Summer Of Love, the Beat generation and the Free Speech Movement. These once important events are now aging relics from the Sixties misused by too many in my generation and others as an excuse to coast through life as deadbeat stoners with no purpose.

Bay Area: you haven't had a hit in years. Get over it.

30 comments:

Nancy aka The Human Yo-Yo said...

Wow. I enjoyed reading this one very much Alex. I'm from Buffalo (woohoo!) and I visited NYC one weekend back in 1985. That's when they had really cheap air fare (I think it was around $20 or $25 one way). I loved it. And even though I lost my wallet (including $300 spending) during that visit, I still look back on it with very fond memories. I had a great time! It was just a weekend and my friends and I went shopping and enjoyed the nightlife (boy, did we enjoy the nightlife!). I would go back again in a heartbeat. I'm happy for you that you found a home in NYC. We love having you on the East Coast!!

Anonymous said...

Here is my vision of New York.
I live in Lisbon, Portugal and it's a busy city. Of course it can't compare to NYC but still it is the capital of my country and it's the busiest city.
I've been lucky enough the travel the world and I've been to NYC at least a dozen times and I must say that-Alex you're quite right about NYC and I could not have said it any better.
There is only one other city (that I've been to) that compares to NYC and that is London, England.
I love both cities for their energy, multiple cultures and entertainment events but I could not stand living there. It's just too busy for me but I totally respect those who like to live there. I even admire them for actually being able to stand that busy life.
For me, London is the capital of the world but I'm biassed for I was educated on a British school.
I sure admire you Alex for being who you are, for being so honest and not afraid of speaking out, for being such a great musician and for leaving in NYC.

Claudia

Anonymous said...

I perfectly agree on everything you write about the East Coast. I've never been out west and I'd really love to visit but my favorite city in the states is Boston. I could not imagine to live in New York but I understand that there are people that would never want to live anywhere else. Yet, I really love to visit NYC periodically.

erika kristen said...

OUCH! That was hardcore but thank you for being so truthful! The very layout of the Bay Area is flawed in its placement on the continent IT can’t help but be disconnected from everything! lol

Nothing like going home to appreciate where you’re going. I feel the same way about the south side of Chicago, where I grew up. There was always a VOID. You name it, there was always a VOID. Birth, school, work, death. Good for you that you hungered for life outside your front yard! Looking for something to fulfill a void that was missing in the makeup of who you wanted to become. I love NYC! Much like the open-mindedness of north Chicago. I admire people who can uproot themselves …

Hope you don’t get too berated for this one.

Alex S said...

I think the most frustrating thing for me was being made to feel that this (The Bay Area) was a place you move 'to' not 'from' and that there's something wrong with you if you think differently. I just read "Look Homeward Angel"(thanks to Henry Rollins for raving about author Thomas Wolfe in his own books) and related to the small town yearning described. I have a lot more to say about this, so it'll be showing up in sections. Thanks for the thoughts so far and no, I don't expect this one to win many accolades in the Bay Area... ; )

Sjusovaren said...

Wow, cool read. It's funny, because for a lot of metalheads, Bay Area has an almost Mecca-like status, even though it's been almost flat-lining for years in terms of prominent music coming out of there IMO. I guess I can see that living in such a crap-hole would put a fire under a few guys ass and make them want to achieve something greater but I personally think living in an isolated environment kills off a lot of potential, which is sad. I wonder how many amazing books, pieces of music, works of art or even amazing inventions have been lost to the dull drone of an isolated town.

Carole said...

Bonjour Alex,

Thank you for sharing this blog with us. I can relate to it in many ways and through two very important people in my life: my husband and my mom. Having been born and still residing in the beautiful metropolitan city of Montreal, I totally understand what you mean when you say “New York has three crucial things the Bay Area is missing: character, energy and connection to the rest of the world”, because I’ve been living in them my whole life. I can also honestly say that I wouldn’t be able to live anywhere else unless it’s a bigger city than Montreal, to which my brother-in-law once told me: “of course you couldn’t, you’ve been raised on asphalt!”

My mom was born in a village just outside of Québec City and came to Montreal in 1964. One of the remarkable things she did shortly after she arrived was to walk up Atwater Avenue to the Montreal Forum (about a 10 minute walk from where she was living) on the night of the Beatles only concert here and just told the security guard she had just recently arrived from the country and did not have a ticket to see the show. Well, believe or not, he let her in and she saw the Beatles for free!!! To this day, she says she would never go back and live in a smaller city or in the country ever again.

My husband, on the other hand, had to move to Montreal when he was 20 to go to university. Although he still enjoys going back to his hometown (a fast aging city about 2 hours away from Montreal), I don’t think he would go back to live there either. It’s funny what my in-laws can say about our way of life in the big city and how different it is from their hometown, the biggest difference being bilingualism. Coming from a completely French community, they are amazed that we can live, work and function in two languages all the time. I could never see myself speaking only one language and I find myself extremely privileged to speak two.

I could go on and on about how great it is to live in the big city (although Montreal is a lot smaller than New York), but this is your blog, not mine. I cannot wait to read the rest of your story.

Take care, mon ami.

Carole

MR said...

Well, I think that all countries has this problem: 2 cities, one is big, with culture,nigthclubs,peoples walking...and the other a true city-ghost!

Exemple - maybe equal LA and SanFrancisco:
Brasil, 22.58 pm. Friday. In São Paulo several clubs...have a fun, pratically, for all likes: jazz,rock,dancers,restaurants. In this moment is possible eat a sandwich and on the corner see a japanese restaurant, both with peoples inside.
São Paulo (as NY) "The city never sleep!". You be confused, and never knows what you really want to do in the SP at night. Now Rio de Janeiro... maybe Copacabana have some clubs (strip clubs!) and snack bar (in portuguese "BOTéCO") and now Lapa. Out of Lapa, RJ don´t have nigth life. Does What they are doing now? problably seeing a movies at home... Here is good on summer, but now, in winter, the city die, together the weather.

450km (6 hours driving) separate both cities, only.

In SP you see a piece of all Brasil, from all states: Paraíba,Alagoas,Minas Gerais,Goiânia and also, Rio de Janeiro! You see this diversity on food, on language, in day by day. In São Paulo you eat an "original shushi" served by japanese from Paraíba saying: "uai!"

Small Dictionary Brazilian-Brazilian for foreigners:

1 - "Paraíbah" - all peoples that born on part north from Brazil (not´s important where do you born, if you born on North, you are paraibah!)
2 - "botecoh" - restaurant category 5. with hot beer to drink and coxinha from last year to eat.
3 - "coxinhah" - traditional brazilian fastfood, sold on streets! (in english is something as "chicken legs")

hahahahahah... the good part here in Rio is Ipanema beach, with your guys using white shorts !

~Elisabeth~ said...

I love NY & have visited that wonderful city about 6 times!! It feels like Gotham City for some reason. I would love to live there & would leave the Bay Area in a heart beat to pursue a new life. Let's see what the future holds....I just might be your neighbor in Brooklyn....Hey is Duffs still there? That bar totally ROCKS!!! ;)

Liz Digital said...

Alex~
What is this?, an article that looks out at the separation of the Cultures? I can get your personal observance, and your excellent at that, but the tidbit sample of looking inward, was not enough to convince me that your heart is with you, let alone in the article. Where are the inward examples> of you?
I would like to debate the issue that people blend in the Bay Area! Where I lived locals knew locals-I worked at my Uncle Ambroses' Italian store-- Sandwich City, off of University and Grant st. and you dont get more authenitc! Indian food from INDIA and real first class California cooking at Chez Pannise - and this is the way of Redding, everyone knows everyone! Its not uncommon to see the same people three and four times a day. BUT, BLENDING IN BERKELEY? Let me-ask you-this, if that was true where were you during the riots and the Black Panther terrors? This ( Oakland, Richmond, Berkeley---Marin )is not a place where we're all equal, and if you think we look the same, you might need a new EYE GLASS prescription. Walk at night in Richmond, go ahead...And everyone thinks they are from the "bay area" MAN! there should be a map, you cant say your from the bay--if you have never seen the bay,...
( ahem) An approx.4 hour nice drive from my house is, Ashland Oregon, SF, Sac, or the Eureka coast,or Reno Nevada...And some great places to see musicians too! Davies Symphony Hall the Greek, the SF Justin Herman Plaza, parks and plazas.
With all due respect, you claim to be a New Yorker, and that is all well, but I have scoured this state from BALMY Mexico to GORGEOUS Canada, and every beach, and side street and back road in between, I have loved the Deserts and lived in the Redwoods, I have eating at the top of the Fairmont, and delved into the foods at the Samoa Cook house. I Have been to a retreat in the oldest childrens camp in the USA located in Sonoma County,with its patchwork of farms, and looked at prehistoric petrified rocks and mtns in Calistoga. Been inside Historic-Jack London's house with Kenwood vines in Glen Ellen, and met the rich-and famous at prestegous the wine industry from the central valley to the Napa Valley, and served food at the five star hotels; From Carmel by the bay to the Salmon rivers on the top the State, this is the biggest most beautiful state I have every seen. I do hope before you moved to the big apple you had a chance to enjoy the sweetest juiciest orange that ever ripened on your own tree, in your back yard, shading your patio. I hope you still remember, what it was like to stand at the top of Solano and look out onto the Bay and see Alcatraz, and the Golden Gate, with the beautiful sunset above. Or sit from the top of the Clairmont and think, this is unique, but this is why I am unique too. I hope everyone on here- invites you to their town, and says,STAY AT MY HOUSE,the same-leave your heart in NY, but bring your spirit here, we will show you a great life. I love NY, a visit is great~I just dont want to live there.
YOUR ALWAYS WELCOME BACK

Skull Archerx33 said...

Well said Mr.Skolnick,

I live in a suburb that is right outside NYC in NJ, its name is Secaucus. I am literally five minutes right outside of NYC. Have you heard of us by the way? I been to NYC several times and I can truly say it is a marvelous city with so much to do at all times. It is no wonder that we are called the city that never sleeps. I have not really traveled as much as you do, but I find myself not completely satisfied with the city. The lifestyle that you chose to live now is a very fast-paced life style. It is a kind of lifestyle that I have learned to put up with, but it is not the one that I wish to live with forever. Perhaps I am opposite of you, I want to move from the big pond to the smaller pond. I will not say that your views are incorrect, because they are. That is nothing further than the truth. I just got sick of it because I just cannot stand the kind of assholes that live in this area who are only more concerned about themselves. I only lived there a little longer than you, six more years to be exact. To each his own though, Alex. Thanks for sharing your views

-Nick

Belinda said...

I agree with what you have said. I grew up 1 1/2 hours north of NYC in Woodstock. I have visited NYC about 4 or 5 times for week trips or just day trips. It's a great place to visit, but it is just too busy for me (hope that makes sense). I do agree that people are a lot more, 'This is my heritage and I'm proud of it' there in the city. I now live in Charlotte, NC where things are more laid back. It's still a city, but it doesn't have to hustle and bustle of city life like NY does.
As always, it is a pleasure to read your blog Alex. Keep up the excellent work and I look forward to reading more of this story.

*Belinda

MJ said...

Hi Alex.
I love this blog.
I am a born and bread North Jersey girl ( Clifton NJ) Its about 30 minutes from NYC..
I remember as a young child going into the city with my family and waiting on line in rain,sleet,snow and any other kind of weather Mother Nature threw at us to get into Radio City Music Hall to see the Christmas show.
My aunt and I would go to the Met to see an Opera or see a show on Broadway at least twice a month. More often if we were able to.
We ate at Sardi's, The Russian Tea Room, Tavern on the Green, Mamma Leone's... and "Top of the World" at the Trade Center.
We enjoyed the festivities at the San Gennero Festival in Little Italy, ice skated at Rockafella Center,windowed shopped on Fifth Avenue and walked all the way up to the Statue of Liberty's crown.Now that was scarey. Not real big on heights LOL
I live in South Jersey now and I love it here by the beach but sometimes I do miss the "Life" of the city.There is so much energy there... you can't help but come alive and get caught up in it everything it has to offer.
Looking back ,I realize how lucky I was at that time in my life to be able to experience some of the excitment of New York City!
I too am happy the East Coast feels like "home" to you and hope you are here to stay :)

M said...

ha, loved it.

I think there are a lot of people that think that way about places they were born or grew up.

I feel that way about Michigan, a lot. To the point, right now, I'm completely fed up with it. There are things I like.. but the things I don't like are making it difficult to live here.

Was in New York last year, and loved it. Saw the same things you talked about.

Kudos.

Alex S said...

Really interesting comments, all.
Liz D- I was wondering when someone would rise to the defense of the Bay Area. Thanks for taking the initiative and offering a compelling counterpoint. You raise some good points (too many to debate in detail) but let me say a couple things:
1. You speak with a lot of passion. If I felt more of that from others in the Bay Area, I might look at my years there more favorably.

2. re: my heart being with me. I think eleven years in a place I'm happy in and plan to stay in speaks for itself. The title is a play on Tony Bennet's signature song which we put on at the end of every Testament show (that's something a few bands do- play mellow music at the end of the night to let the crowd know the show is over no more encores. Slayer, I'm told, calls it 'Get The Fuck Out' music). : )
Hearing that song nightly on tour inspired some of these refelections.

3.Blending in. That was referring to my experience with the Berkeley Public School system, not the city itself or Oakland, Richmond etc... And I was in diapers during the riots and Black Panther movements.

4. You list some great places to hear music. But in New York, there is more going on in one night than the Bay Area in a week. I can hear the top musicians, make the rounds at several venues and always be inspired. Plus I can play a gig in New York, be packed up and loaded out by 2am, and still have a couple hours to hang with friends at the Bar. In SF, the lights are on and everyone's getting kicked out by 1:30am. And those that take BART have to leave before midnight because the freakin' train stops running. In New York, it runs all night. And cabs are cheap!

5. Wine Country, Carmel, and all those other wonderful places you mention are terrific and I love visiting. But their great for taking a break. I'm much more productive in a place where I don't feel like I'm always on break. And yes, the view of the Bay, Alcatraz and the Golden Gate is nice, but I've been seeing it all my life! The Brooklyn Bridge and the Manhattan skyline inspire so much more in me.

M- you touched on something I'd thinking about- where one grows up greatly influences ones perception on that place. Some never want to leave. Others can't wait to get out. I was neither. Never planned to leave, but once I did, it was the best thing I ever did. I'm perfectly willing to admit that if it was reversed, and I'd grown up looking at the Brooklyn Bridge instead of the Golden Gate, that the situation could be reversed.
Nick, yes, I've been to Secaucus, NJ. That's like my experience in the East Bay. San Francisco is right there, as New York is to you, but it's not quite like being in 'City'
I should also point out that I live in Brooklyn, in Park Slope, an area of New York that is often compared to the Bay Area and has a lot of Bay Area ex-patriates. There are tons of bookstores, coffee shops, ethnic restaurants etc.. It has the energy of the city and things stay open late, but less traffic and small buildings.

Montreal and Boston were mentioned. Those are two cities I really like and could've seen living it at one point. Also, Chicago (not the South Side, Erika, I hear you) and Austin, TX.

I was just in Madison, Wi. and found it to be beyond all my expectations...cultured, vibrant, lively, energetic. But I'm not moving there!
The last thing I want to say is that for me, New York, is like the Paris that drew in Hemmingway, Picasso and others. As an artist, it's been the best thing. But no, it's not for everybody!

Alex

Undercover Mother said...

Hey Alex

GREAT post! Again, nothing against the Bay Area. On a comedic note, though ..."Confused and damaged": there's a description a parent can look forward to accepting in explaining their childrens upbringing. LOL LOL (No disrespect towards your family. It's just a joke).

I spent some time in the Bay Area in the mid 80s. I probably didn't spent enough time there, but I will confess that one of the reasons for my not wanting to stay is that I couldn't find an individual connection to space or group, etc. definitely no connection to ethnicity, for what its worth. Again, it was just me. I missed Times Square (the old Times Sq.), the smell of hot dog vendors' pretzels, or the candied nuts, the hustle from Wall St., The warf can't compare to Coney Island (sorry). I missed the sound of salsa when you venture into certain neighborhoods in certain boros. I'm sure the Bay area is great in it's own respect, but I too agree that NYC has a certain character that's priceless! I could live elsewhere... as long as I keep an apartment here. I appreciate as well as need the connection to the rest of the world, as you say, due to my work as well. Though I'm rapidly priced out, I'm not going down without a fight!

Holla

Peace

Undercover Mother

Anonymous said...

Alex, a building fell today afternoon in Brooklyn (493, Myrtle Ave), I read in the newspaper now, I hope it is not no friend of yours!
O_O

MR.

Skull Archerx33 said...

Alex, I do have a question to pose to you. You seem quite opposed to your origins and found a home about 10 minutes from me. However, I do have this question: do your bay area thrasher contemporaries feel the same way you do after being their so long? You know guys like Exodus, Forbidden, and Metallica. Have you talked to those guys and do they feel similarly?

Liz Digital said...
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Liz Digital said...

HEY- wait a minute, I heard that there was a Testament/ LAAZ show at the FILLMORE in SF,I was going to go, but heard you were not going to be there , minus one Alex SKolnick, why go?...what two weeks ago?
YOU have the pick of destiny....I am joking, but the reality is-you can draw a nice crowd.

Don't even try to argue the Montery Jazz Festival with me!

;?)

Liz Digital said...

I give you one teen that has to tell you about --the rock scene:

My name is Ashley Masloff (17) and I am here to say, that the local music scene is NOT dead, and you can not kill us, ha.

Here in Nor Cal (Redding, Anderson, Red Bluff ect.) There are countless bands from pretty much every genre playing and touring for all to hear and move to. From Hardcore, Metal, Punk, Ska, Rock, Alternative, even rap.

Redding shows go on week after week, day after day. So many companies and people put time and effort to make these shows happen for the community. The music scene here isn't even underground. It is so easy to stay connected and attached to the music, and even the people in the band. You become so close with the people you met there, wether you mosh with them, or they're in the band. Everyone stays friendly and if not, there are people to set them straight. The shows are afforadable and drug/violence friendly. Some shows are even free! The bands aren't concered with making money as much as they are about having fun. And that's what this is all about, having fun. And that's all I've ever had when I'm at a show, fun. The energy in live/local music in unlike anything I've ever been a part of.

The sound waves so loud you can feel it in your body. The singer so close you can grab the mic and scream/sing along. Everyone moving/moshing together so hard and fast you let adrenaline take over. Even when the music stops, you can feel your heart racing. And, most of the bands are friendly enough you can just walk up and talk to them, effortlessly.
I've become friends with many of the bands I see live. Which only makes me want to see them more. and it makes the show all the more fun, when the lead singer hugs you while he's signing.

Well, I'm rambling, but you get my drift. And there's not better way to stay connected than, MYSPACE, haha. Each band has a myspace, detailed with times,places and prices of each show. And there is even a myspace souly dedicated to Redding shows, with details on upcoming shows for months to come

http://www.myspace.com/reddingshows

The local music scene is alive and well. I plan on being a part of it, for a long time.

thanks for reading
-Ashley Masloff
Redding, California

Alex S said...

Hi all- this is getting interesting. In general, it's hard for me to answer individual questions on this blog. But since this is such an important topic for me personally, and some time opened up for me today, I'll do my best.
I'm also posting Part II today (if you disagreed with me on part I, I don't think this one will change your mind) : )

LizD- I thought that was a very good point about BAM (sorry to see it's 'deleted by author' now). For those that don't know- the Bay Area used to have BAM magazine (Bay Area Music) and a yearly awards show with everyone from John Lee Hooker, Bonnie Raitte, Metallica, Primus and up and comers, including a brand new band (at that time) called Testament. BAM died, as did numerous clubs within a few years (The Stone SF, The Stone Palo Alto, Keystone Berkeley, Cactus Club, Berkeley Square, The Omni, too many to name). Consequently, the scene died too. Since Green Day in the early Nineties, when was the last time a major artist came out of the Bay Area? I did play the Fillmore SF last week, btw, that's partly what inspired this post. Sorry you missed it. And yes, Monterey Jazz Fest is great. But on the East Coast, it feels like we've got those artists year round. Appreciate the thoughts.

Ashley, I think it's wonderful that you have such a great music scene in Redding. Where the hell is Redding by the way? Kidding. Redding is not exactly the 'Bay Area,' it's North of Sacramento. But it sounds like a nice little oasis and reminds me of the energy I just found in Madison, Wi. I hope it stays alive (I'd never want to kill it). But let me ask you this: suppose there's a young musician there who isn't quite fulfilled just being in a rock band and strives to be a serious artist/musician, the best he or she can be? Then my advice to them would be that unless your band is clearly going places and you're happy there, then get out and move somewhere more connected, like LA, Austin, New York or Montreal (not SF).

The building that collapsed in Brooklyn was nowhere near me, thanks for the concern. And I'm not there right now, anyway.

I don't know anyone else from the Bay Area thrash scene who agrees with me. I do have some friends from the Bay Area that moved to LA, and agree with me.

As far as the Mecca-like status of the Bay Area metal scene, it's a bit misplaced. None of the so called "big 4" of thrash are from there, except Metallica who isn't really from there (the two core members are from Southern Ca. and Denmark). Sure there were a lot of other bands that came up later, but there were other thrash scenes too- NY (Anthrax), Texas (Pantera) even Florida (Death, Obituary, too many too name)!

I wouldn't say the Bay Area is a hell hole. Despite not wanting to live there, I think parts of it are very pleasant. However, there are parts of it that are so bland, generic and just like any other cookie cutter US suburb. I think there are a lot of displaced, confused and angry young people who grow up in these places, that = look to metal as a creative outlet and a voice.

It certainly was that for me.

big carl said...

Yo Alex !

Just saw this blog for the first time. Nice read. Man, you got a way with the pen/keyboard.

I met you once when you came by the bar I was deejaying. I play in Villains with Pasquale, and my name is actually Patrick. The "Carl" nickname is a long story.

Having moved to New York eleven years ago from LA, I really appreciate the read. I personally really like SF. I enjoy visiting and have lots of friends there, but I don't know if I could live there.

To counter, the SF metal bands, Slough Feg, Hammers of Misfortune, and Ludicra are all HITS in my book.

Recently a good friend turned me on to Rodrigo y Gabriela, and I checked out some of those vids of you guys. Kool stuff. Playing with them, and others illustrates your points about NYC quite well. Where else would I have seen you guest with the IRON MAIDENS and the godly Uli Roth ? ? ?

Cheers

Sorensongs said...

Very, very enjoyable post to the blog. Wow, what timing. I live in the other "Bay" area down south and it is certainly a far cry from THE Bay area of San Francisco. This former Philly east coast girl ventured to NYC this past week for a few days and I left my heart there, I can't tell you exactly where, but it's there somewhere because I cannot stop thinking about it and looking at the pictures and videos I captured. The incredible thing was that everyone I talked to there, from the pizza place on 84th and Amsterdam, or the policeman in Central Park, to the woman in the park meadow with her kids, the talented man playing sax by the bridge underpass, and the carousel attendant were all incredibly approachable, hospitable, and left a lasting impression on me I will keep forever about some of people of the city. It didn't end there, I laughed with the guys selling Obama condoms in Times Square and had a funny incident with the manager of Maxie's deli. It was a radiant, fun, and wonderful experience that pictures and videos only wish they could capture. The only regret I have is that I left too soon as I didn't get to see an incredible musician play who I admire. I have many reasons to go back and will quite soon. I know my comment is only a fraction of all the things the original post mentioned, but I'm hoping that people ditch the stigma that New York is full of rude, arrogant people. If you think that, open your heart to this wonderful place and the wonderful spirit that embraces you on the streets.

Kimber said...

Being from Cleveland - a small town with a lot of special character; myself, a fabulous orchestra, great Art museum, four seasons, strong music scene,and other hidden treasures.
While, it's not NYC - an awesome wonderful- in your face place-(love it) or beautiful serene San- Fran (love it too, esp. Tiburon)-It has its charm as everywhere does. It's what suits me. Every place has its own frequency. I think its how one relates to the places environmental vibe. Interesting to see how much the weather impacts people too. I would think differenct parts of the country have different energy fields/planes too, like the vortexes in Sedona that exist. This can perhaps make people more attune to better living in certain parts. A lot of dynmics between one and their environment that goes on, depending where you are at in your life. They say home is where your heart is. And, that you can't go back home? Well, for you Alex, you can atleast visit San Fran and wave the peace sign. I say live where you find what matters the most to you the most satisfied. IE, happiness, peace, comfort, inspiration.

Sjusovaren said...

I guess the Mecca thing is some "Oh yeah, everyone in the BA start metalbands and have awesome kegparty-shows"-illusion of a select few. Personally, I think Birmingham in England is the closest to a metal-Mecca, since Black Sabbath and Judas Priest are from there. Of course, some'd say Gothenburg for the whole melodic death metal scene, but meh.

If I may ramble a bit, I remember this one kid at a forum I frequent (I think it was the Megadeth-forum) who went on and on about how metal was the only good kind of music, how David Gilmour sucked because he didn't play at warpspeed (sickening comment IMO) and how he was going to move to the Bay Area, because "everyone there love metal and still play it".
Of course, when he posted his one recorded song (called Kill All The Posers... Christ, what a closeminded guy), he got pretty much laughed at, being all talk and nothing worth showing for it. Immature, true, I won't deny it.

And the term I used wasn't hellhole, it was crap-hole, haha. ;)

(Hope I'm not "too late" with this comment)

Alex S said...

I'm little late here, but it's good time to one is ever 'too late' with the comments. Just because the blog gets updated doesn't mean we can't revisit the earlier ones, especially for those just coming on board, so keep 'em coming.
Sorensongs: really great description of NYC. And Kimber- yes, I've been to Cleveland many times and agree that while it doesn't have the size of scope of NYC, but has a lot of character. Sajusoveren- yes, Birmingham could also be seen as a 'mecca' for metal. But it doesn't mean you'd want to live there. Just ask some of those legendary musicians, most of whom moved away.

Liz Digital said...

~ I think the artist climate is forever inbedded into the Bay Area, in all forms, and even if "Heavy Metal" has morphed far off, remember that you are famous when you are immortalized or animated in a Film, and your music is placed within a block buster movie, such as Pixar. Movies, esspcially animations, cannot survive without music. This media is thirsty for your young and upcoming artists, as well as the most prominent. After the movie usually comes the Broadway show.
I was enjoying this debate, and went all out to find the creater of BAM magazine : Dennis Erokan,
ON facebook, he actually friended me--( now maybe not!) but he seems to be still in the biz, and doing ok, he and his Photographer are listed on Wikipedia, I contacted them both. I remember the Bammies, and I went to several shows, and loved it! Bumping into to Huey, or James and Lars, or Chris Isaak, or Neil Schon, it was a common place as well as all the nominees would just hang out in the Lobby of the Davies Symphony Hall, those were the days. It was a fun time for SF and the area, that maybe had to pass. Still you can't take it away from them or us. You can call the little city by the bay anything you want, just please don't start calling it Frisco.

Sjusovaren said...

"Sajusoveren" *giggle-snort* Poor Alex, swedish truly is a f'cked-up langauge. (quick lesson in swedish, sjusovare is a word for someone who sleeps a lot, it's kinda like sleepy-head except stronger. A direct translation is actually sevensleeper, which makes zero sense really. But, swedish doesn't really make sense either so.) Feel free to just call me Sjuso if you want. ;) Hey, Johan works too. :D

True that about Birmingham. A good friend of mine lives there and he doesn't like it at all. Maybe that's a part of a town "breeding" a lot of metal-music, inducing an ambition to get out of there? I think stuff like that is very interesting, if dull towns, bad financial status in the family and so on acts as an ingredient to making locals try music as a "get-away". I don't think I've ever heard of kids with rich parents in nice neighbourhoods playing aggressive music, nor making great hip-hop (though everyone and their cousin attempt to make it as a rapper these days, thinking it's a piece of cake.)

greek gods and goddesses’ baby said...

travelling and moving forward should be hopeful, but this entry reminds me of my past, to me this entry is sad. (i have moved more than 20 times within 4 years with hunge, while i was in austrlia.)

travelling without enough money is always sad. and moving as a musician means a new life with nothing but the cash and belongings. but that could been hopeful for talented Alex,

i just don't get this. to me this is a sad story, to others this could an advanture,